As the UN-backed war crimes court in Cambodia prepares to open its trial
this week of top leaders of the brutal Khmer Rouge regime, tension and
criticisms are mounting in its handling of two pretrial investigations.
The cases potentially cover tens of thousands of deaths during the
ultra-Maoist government in the late 70s -- which in total, killed an
estimated 1.7 million people.
Clair Duffy is a court monitor for a George Soros-funded organization. Her group called on the UN to probe the tribunal for interference.
The government here has publicly opposed those cases, with Prime Minister Hun Sen claiming that prosecuting them could lead to civil war. Public information on the cases is scarce, in contrast to statements given during the current trial's investigating phase. The suspects' names have only been published in the past two weeks, with media citing leaked documents. Moreover, Duffy says judges have not assigned legal counsel to the suspects in part to limit the record.
Her group urged the UN to look into the co-investigating judges, Sigfried Blunk of Germany and You Bun Leng of Cambodia, for incompetence and judicial independence. The secretary general's office responded by rejecting what it called media speculation.
But a spokeswoman at the court, Yuko Maeda, points out that the judges announcement that they had concluded their investigation doesn't actually signify finality. She explained a back-and-forth process of appeals and requests before the pretrial phase is finished, some of which is ongoing.
Meanwhile, the investigating judges most recent statement, released Friday, warns news outlets from releasing confidential information, threatening them with court action.
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Interview with Dmitry Mosyakov, Director of the Center for South-East Asia, Australia and Oceania Studies in Moscow, Russia.
Dr.
Mosyakov, thank you very much for joining us. It is really a pleasure
to have you here with us. So please tell me, I think you were telling me
that very soon there is going to be a trial related to Cambodia, if I
am not mistaken, but I am not sure that our listeners are quite aware of
what the whole story is about, so could you just give them a little
insight into that?
You know, for a long time
people all over the world waited for this trial, because after the crash
of Pol Pot’s regime, and when one could see the crimes of this regime,
there was a popular demand for this trial, and the United Nations asked
the new Khmeran power to organize this trial with the help of the United
Nations, with the help of the experts of the United Nations, and there
were many American scientists and specialists who went to Cambodia to
help Khmeran people find the places of all these crimes of the Pol Pot
regime, but for a long, long time the Cambodian government under Hun
Sen’s leadership rejected this demand, and the reason was that this
trial could divide the Cambodian society once again, because a lot of
people in Cambodia, especially poor peasants still supported some of Pol
Pot’s ideas of common life, of quality in different spheres, of full
independence, and so on. So the Cambodian government tried not to
organize this trial but tried to make one step after another, and say
that today it is impossible, tomorrow – different obstacles, and so on.
During this period of time some of the main people for this trial died,
and now the situation is, I think it is very favorable for this trial,
because the real leaders of Khmer Rouge, they are simply 80 years old,
or 82, 83 years old, and this trial would be something as a theater, not
a real political event, but a theater with old figures that go to the
trial at the finish of their life, and I think that from this point of
view this trial would be, because no danger for the Cambodian
government, but in fact the reason for not organizing this trial because
of social difference and social instability was only one reason,
another reason was that the leaders of this Khmer people’s revolutionary
party, now it is Khmer party, Khmer people’s party, they are former
Khmer Rouge, and so they maybe thought that if this trial is opened,
somebody will remember their activities during the period when they were
functionaries of the Pol Pot regime, because all of them left this
regime not in 1975, when the regime conquered the power, but, for
example, Hun Sen left Khmer Rouge in 1977, Chea Sim, second figure in
the Cambodian leadership, left Khmer Rouge in 1978, several months
before the crash of the Pol Pot regime, and other people who form the
leadership group of People’s party, they were afraid that during this
trial some facts of their activities, when they took part, maybe not in
the crimes, but they saw this situation, they took part in
collectivization, for example, they took part in evacuation of people
from Phnom Penh streets, etc, different crimes, a lot of crimes in
Cambodia during this period of time, and so they wanted not to organize
this trial, because they were afraid that this trial could be not only
over former Khmer Rouge leadership, but it could change the direction of
the current leadership of Cambodia, and so they decided not to organize
it. It was a very serious problem, because the United Nations, the
United States and other states gave the money to organize the trial,
because in fact they said: we don’t have money, Cambodia is a very poor
country, and we don’t have money for organizing such a huge trial with
international observers, with journalists, so we don’t have money. So
the United Nations and the United States said: we will give you money.
So they tried to find other reasons not to organize it. But now, when
the leaders of modern Cambodia, they are also not young people, and I
think they will very soon be changed by another generation of
politicians, so they decided to organize this trial and to finish this
story.
Mr.
Mosyakov, but as far as I know, you have been working at various
archives, and you even wrote a book about Cambodia, what did you find,
you were telling me that you found some extremely interesting facts in
those archives, and you also mentioned that there had been a lot of
crimes committed by the Pol Pot regime, but what were they, I am not
sure that our listeners do remember that because that was quite a long
time ago?
Yes, the Pol Pot period in fact is
the period that this regime was in power, from 1975 till 1979, when
Vietnamese troops came and overthrew the Pol Pot regime. But as of
archives, I think it was very interesting work, because some archives of
the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs were opened for specialists,
for scholars, and opened of the period of time from 1955 till 1990, and I
had an opportunity to see these archives, and among the documents that I
saw there were some documents that I didn’t even think I could find,
for instance, some letters from Russian representatives in Phnom Penh in
1975, when Pol Pot troops entered the city and conquered the city, so
in fact there were some people, not only one person as everybody knew,
but 4 people that were in Phnom Penh and they had to have some ties with
the leaders of this regime, and I saw some telegrams; what happened in
Phnom Penh, what they saw at this period of time, because they left the
Russian Embassy and they went to the town, and they saw the situation,
and I saw this telegram, and then they were arrested and they were on
the verge of death.
Did they survive?
Yes,
they survived, because they said that we are Soviets, and so we are
Communists, and so don’t take us, but in fact they were in a camp, and
everything was ready to kill them, but suddenly an officer came and they
were freed, - not freed, but they went to the French Embassy, and then
300km by foot to Thailand’s border. It is only one fact, another… There
are many different facts, for example some documents connected to Soviet
- American negotiations about the situation in Cambodia, Vietnam’s
presence in Cambodia during the Vietnam War, so how the Americans tried
to persuade the Soviet representative to influence Vietnamese leadership
for finishing this war or for withdrawal of the troops, different
documents of Sihanouk’s relations, Sihanouk was the king of Cambodia and
leader of Cambodia, he was overthrown in 1970 during the putsch, so his
negotiations with the Soviet leaders, how Soviet leaders viewed
Cambodia at that period of time, and how their attitude towards
Sihanouk, for example, you know, Sihanouk came to Moscow in 1970, when
the putsch began in Phnom Penh, and he received this information from
the Russian Prime-Minister, and Mr. Kosygin asked him to leave Moscow,
because the situation is very grave in his capital, and Sihanouk asked
not to leave Moscow, he wanted to stay in Moscow, not to go from Moscow,
and Soviet leaders said – No, you can’t stay here, go away; and all
this we can see in the documents in my book. Another situation...for
example, the situation in Cambodia in 1993, when before the elections
there were two factions in the People’s party, one faction is Hun Sen’s,
it is Moderates, and the other one is Conservative, by Chea Sim, and so
they wanted to dissolve and to form two different parties, and so that
would be the end of the revolutionary, communist pro-Vietnamese movement
in Cambodia, and the old revolutionary president of Vietnam came to
Phnom Penh as a guest for this meeting and he had a very serious speech
and he told them – if you divide in several years nobody will remember
you, you have to unite and to re-unite once again and you will be in
power, and we will help you. It was a secret visit, it was a secret
meeting, and after that they re-united, and till now the leaders of
Cambodia are Hun Sen and Chea Sim, you see, it was from 1993. And the
main thing in Cambodia is that if you look at the leadership during the
Communist period, during the period of the Vietnamese occupation, you
will see Hun Sen, Chea Sim, Heng Samrin. And now, after all these years,
after democratic elections, you once again see Hun Sen, Chea Sim and
Heng Samrin is very old to have some state powers, but in fact all of
them are leaders, they are still the leaders.
Is
it a national tradition of power succession in the countries of the
region, - power succession is a little bit different from what we are
accustomed to. I mean that people come to stay for years and years, and
this is seen as natural occurrence, is that correct?
Yes,
you see, Cambodia once again shows us something separate with the
development of this country, once again, because in fact all these
leaders are still leaders because of democratic, really democratic
elections, and the most interesting situation is that from one election
to another election the amount of people who choose them is rising, they
are getting more and more support, because their policy is something as
in many after- or post-Communist regimes, you see, in fact what the
main thing in these post-Communist regimes, is when we can see the
post-Communist leaders, former Communists, but now they are not
Communists, they know their Communist origins, and they know the real
power of people, and they understand that to have power you need to have
support of people, even when you have a lot of houses, as now, you have
a lot of money, enterprises, business, and everybody knew in Cambodia
that all these members of the leadership, everybody has their own
business, very rich people, but you have to think about people not as
simple things that are somewhere down, but you have to give money,
acceptance etc.for the people, and you have to create new ideas for the
people, it is very important, and for People’s Party, from one election
to another election, they made different programs, but the main thing in
their programs was the idea of equality, the idea of social justice,
fight against social differences, help for poor people, etc, and I think
that this helped them, because the political opponents, it is the
pro-Sihanouk party and the pro-western party, now it is a party of Sam
Rainsy, you see, their ideas are very, very separate, you know, for rich
people, not for the common people living in the villages.
These
are very interesting things you are telling me, because the way I
understand it, it is just another proof, that political technologies
taken from another region of the world, don’t take into account the
local mindset, which is extremely different, and that is why they don’t
work, and they don’t make the country happy.
Yes,
I think it is a very interesting thing. You see, the post-Communist
regime as we can say in Vietnam, it is not a post-Communist regime, it
is a Communist regime, in fact, in China, in Cambodia, in Laos…you see,
their development and their success, everybody can see, and you can see
that these countries are unique, yes, they have some social problems,
but these problems they can solve inside, without such accidents as in
Thailand, without such situation, grave situation with the regime as in
Myanmar. So we can see that there are two ideas, because we have to
understand that communism for all these countries is a modernization
theory, it is not as we can usually think a theory from the past, for
them it is a theory of European modernization, in different spheres, and
from my point of view, I am not a communist, but it is a very
understandable modernization, modernization through the people, through a
new system of education, new system of medicine, and it is not like in
Thailand, maybe the situation there is better, so it is another topic,
but you can see it is a private business, and for common people it is
very difficult, but in Cambodia, it is education for everyone, medical
assistance for everyone, and there are some social guarantees for
everyone. It is everything from the Communist past, because at that time
they adapted all these laws, but they didn’t reject from them during
this period of time, now Cambodia is a democratic power, democratic
state with a king, and with a parliament that had all the power, but in
fact you can see some ideas from the west, but a very great part of the
practical policy is from the Communist past.
How did they make this transfer, how did they manage to make this transfer without disintegrating?
I
have already told you that they were on the verge of dissolution. I
think it depends on the personal quality of the people, of the
leadership, and from the tradition of the political party. You know, the
People’s party began its living, began its activity during the
Vietnamese rule, and in Cambodia there was a usual thing when political
parties are against each other, very often there are fights, putsches,
and so on, they cannot find a compromise, and so it was in Cambodia in
1981, when there were two groups and one of them tried to take all the
power during this Vietnamese rule and tried to arrest the leader of the
other group and his group of former Khmer Rouge functionaries. So
Vietnamese stopped, because Vietnamese were over them, they stopped
these contradictions, and told the representatives of these two groups:
you have to leave peacefully, because if you don’t find a compromise,
you will leave the leadership, you will not be political leaders in
Cambodia, and so the inside People’s Party, because of this Vietnamese
message, danger for people, they had to find compromises for all the
problems, for collectivization, for trade policy, etc. and this
experiment and this experience was very effective for People’s party, so
they were ready for a compromise, and when they had to make this final
compromise about power, they were ready for it, because their experience
before was for this compromise, between leaders and between members of
their commands. Some observers, beginning from 1990, 1993, every year
they write – this year the People’s party will be dissolved, because
everybody knows that there are two groups, but in fact nothing, every
time on every question they can find a compromise, and that is a
guarantee for the power, they are together, they understand that only
together we can be on the top.
That is very
interesting. Do you have any figures in your mind, could we illustrate
the rate of growth of Cambodia in recent years?
The rate is very high, I think like 8-10% every year.
And for how long have they maintained the trend?
I think 10 years, more than 10 years.
Just like Chinese.
A little lower than Chinese, but very quickly. They have oil now, they have different things.
Do foreign investors come to the country?
Yes,
it is very attractive, for example, in the sphere of tourism, in the
banking sphere, and I was in Phnom Penh, in December, so there were a
lot of new buildings.
The office of United Nations secretary general Ban Ki-moon has defended
the embattled investigating judges at the Khmer Rouge tribunal in a
statement that drew criticism from local observers and lawyers at the
court.
The judges have come under fire in recent weeks from victims, civil society groups and even their own staff for their apparent failure to investigate the tribunal’s third case properly. The likely dismissal of the case reflects the viewpoint of the Cambodian government, which opposes prosecutions beyond the upcoming Case 002, leading many to charge that Case 003 has been sabotaged for political expediency.
In a statement released in New York on Tuesday, Ban’s office rejected “media speculation” that the UN had directed the judges to shutter Case 003 and denied that any political interference had occurred in the case. A “closing order” – indictments or dismissals in the case – will be available to public scrutiny at a later date, the statement added.
“The judges and prosecutors at the Extraordinary Chambers in the Courts of Cambodia (ECCC) must be allowed to function free from external interference by the Royal Government of Cambodia, the United Nations, donor States and civil society,” the statement read, adding: “Speculating on the content of the Closing Order at this stage does not assist the independent judicial process.”
However, local observers said the statement was in fact cause for greater concern about the tribunal, as the UN refused to acknowledge the abundance of evidence that the Case 003 investigation has been mismanaged.
Co-investigating judges Siegfried Blunk of Germany and You Bunleng of Cambodia announced the conclusion of their Case 003 investigation in April, though without taking a number of seemingly basic steps including the questioning of the suspects involved and the examination of a number of alleged crime sites.
Staff from the judges’ office have since begun resigning in protest; in a resignation letter to Blunk last month, noted Khmer Rouge-era historian Stephen Heder, formerly a consultant to the investigating judges, spoke of the “toxic atmosphere” within their office, saying it had become “professionally dysfunctional”. He added that the judges had closed Case 003 “effectively without investigating it”.
The judges last week rejected a series of requests from international co-prosecutor Andrew Cayley calling for them to investigate the case further, a decision Cayley has appealed.
In the statement Tuesday, Ban’s office cited the confidentiality of the investigation and said the investigating judges “are not under an obligation to provide reasons for their actions at this stage of the investigation in Case 003”.
But Anne Heindel, a legal adviser at the Documentation Centre of Cambodia, called this an erroneous reading of court rules and said the UN was “hiding behind a cloak of confidentiality”.
“As an institution, the UN is trying to protect the integrity of the court by denying that there are any problems, and it’s too late for that,” she said. “They need to acknowledge that action needs to be taken to save this investigation or it could undermine the entire work of the court.”
Clair Duffy, a trial monitor with the Open Society Justice Initiative, said UN officials were “ignoring all of the evidence they now have before them, including from people inside the court with knowledge of what’s going on”.
“To pretend that this is a matter of speculation at this point ignores the wealth of available evidence that no serious investigative action was ever undertaken in relation to the 003 suspects,” she said.
The suspects in Case 003 remain officially confidential, though court documents reveal them as former KR navy commander Meas Mut and air force commander Sou Met.
Lawyers for former Khmer Rouge Brother No 2 Nuon Chea, set to stand trial later this month in the court’s second case, also took issue with the UN statement, which referred to their client as one of “the four remaining leaders of the Khmer Rouge”.
This statement, the defence team said, presupposes both Nuon Chea’s guilt and the fact that he and the other Case 002 suspects “are the only ‘leaders’ of the Khmer Rouge still alive”.
Whether the Case 003 suspects also fall into this category “is a matter which is currently the subject of litigation before the ECCC”, the defence team said.
The judges have come under fire in recent weeks from victims, civil society groups and even their own staff for their apparent failure to investigate the tribunal’s third case properly. The likely dismissal of the case reflects the viewpoint of the Cambodian government, which opposes prosecutions beyond the upcoming Case 002, leading many to charge that Case 003 has been sabotaged for political expediency.
In a statement released in New York on Tuesday, Ban’s office rejected “media speculation” that the UN had directed the judges to shutter Case 003 and denied that any political interference had occurred in the case. A “closing order” – indictments or dismissals in the case – will be available to public scrutiny at a later date, the statement added.
“The judges and prosecutors at the Extraordinary Chambers in the Courts of Cambodia (ECCC) must be allowed to function free from external interference by the Royal Government of Cambodia, the United Nations, donor States and civil society,” the statement read, adding: “Speculating on the content of the Closing Order at this stage does not assist the independent judicial process.”
However, local observers said the statement was in fact cause for greater concern about the tribunal, as the UN refused to acknowledge the abundance of evidence that the Case 003 investigation has been mismanaged.
Co-investigating judges Siegfried Blunk of Germany and You Bunleng of Cambodia announced the conclusion of their Case 003 investigation in April, though without taking a number of seemingly basic steps including the questioning of the suspects involved and the examination of a number of alleged crime sites.
Staff from the judges’ office have since begun resigning in protest; in a resignation letter to Blunk last month, noted Khmer Rouge-era historian Stephen Heder, formerly a consultant to the investigating judges, spoke of the “toxic atmosphere” within their office, saying it had become “professionally dysfunctional”. He added that the judges had closed Case 003 “effectively without investigating it”.
The judges last week rejected a series of requests from international co-prosecutor Andrew Cayley calling for them to investigate the case further, a decision Cayley has appealed.
In the statement Tuesday, Ban’s office cited the confidentiality of the investigation and said the investigating judges “are not under an obligation to provide reasons for their actions at this stage of the investigation in Case 003”.
But Anne Heindel, a legal adviser at the Documentation Centre of Cambodia, called this an erroneous reading of court rules and said the UN was “hiding behind a cloak of confidentiality”.
“As an institution, the UN is trying to protect the integrity of the court by denying that there are any problems, and it’s too late for that,” she said. “They need to acknowledge that action needs to be taken to save this investigation or it could undermine the entire work of the court.”
Clair Duffy, a trial monitor with the Open Society Justice Initiative, said UN officials were “ignoring all of the evidence they now have before them, including from people inside the court with knowledge of what’s going on”.
“To pretend that this is a matter of speculation at this point ignores the wealth of available evidence that no serious investigative action was ever undertaken in relation to the 003 suspects,” she said.
The suspects in Case 003 remain officially confidential, though court documents reveal them as former KR navy commander Meas Mut and air force commander Sou Met.
Lawyers for former Khmer Rouge Brother No 2 Nuon Chea, set to stand trial later this month in the court’s second case, also took issue with the UN statement, which referred to their client as one of “the four remaining leaders of the Khmer Rouge”.
This statement, the defence team said, presupposes both Nuon Chea’s guilt and the fact that he and the other Case 002 suspects “are the only ‘leaders’ of the Khmer Rouge still alive”.
Whether the Case 003 suspects also fall into this category “is a matter which is currently the subject of litigation before the ECCC”, the defence team said.
A consultant to the investigating judges at the Khmer Rouge tribunal
spoke of the “toxic atmosphere” within the “professionally
dysfunctional” office in resigning in protest last month over the
handling of the court’s controversial third case.
The news follows a public statement issued by the investigating judges on Sunday acknowledging that multiple staffers from their office had left amid disagreements over the Case 003 investigation, which was closed in April and appears to have been scuttled amid opposition from the Cambodian government. In a resignation letter dated May 5 and addressed to German co-investigating judge Siegfried Blunk, Stephen Heder, a noted historian of the Khmer Rouge period, said he and others in the office had become increasingly disillusioned with the judges’ action in the case.
“In view of the judges’ decision to close the investigation into Case File 003 effectively without investigating it, which I, like others, believe was unreasonable; in view of the UN staff’s evidently growing lack of confidence in your leadership, which I share; and in view of the toxic atmosphere of mutual mistrust generated by your management of what is now a professionally dysfunctional office, I have concluded that no good use can or will be made of my consultancy services,” Heder wrote. He declined to comment yesterday beyond the resignation letter.
In response to the resignations of Heder and at least three foreign staff members from the office, Blunk and his Cambodian counterpart, You Bunleng, said on Sunday that they “welcome the departure of all staff members who ignore the sole responsibility of the [co-investigating judges]” over Case 003.
The suspects in this case remain officially confidential, though court documents reveal them as former KR navy commander Meas Mut and air force commander Sou Met, men thought to be responsible for thousands of deaths.
Blunk and You Bunleng have evinced a siege mentality in their public statements in recent weeks, lashing out at those who have questioned their professional behaviour.
Last month, the judges ordered international co-prosecutor Andrew Cayley to retract a statement he had made outlining further investigative steps he planned to request in Case 003, as he is permitted to do under court rules.
The judges accused Cayley of breaching the court’s confidentiality rules in an order that Cayley has appealed. They have since rejected his investigative requests.
Yesterday, the tribunal’s Pre-Trial Chamber ruled in a unanimous decision that this retraction order, which Blunk and You Bunleng had stipulated be carried out within three days, be suspended pending a final decision on Cayley’s appeal.
In their decision, the Pre-Trial Chamber judges noted that “the information the Co-Investigating Judges ask the International Co-Prosecutor to retract is quoted in the Order issued by the Co-Investigating Judges”.
“As such, the information will remain in the public domain even if it is ‘retracted’ by the Co-Prosecutors,” the Pre-Trial Chamber said.
The Pre-Trial Chamber judges have historically split in ruling on matters related to cases 003 and 004, with the Cambodian judges opposing the cases and the international judges in favour. Clair Duffy, a trial monitor with the Open Society Justice Initiative, said “reason has prevailed” with yesterday’s decision, though she cautioned that it was still too early to say whether the chamber will reverse Blunk and You Bunleng’s rejection of the requests for additional investigation in Case 003.
The news follows a public statement issued by the investigating judges on Sunday acknowledging that multiple staffers from their office had left amid disagreements over the Case 003 investigation, which was closed in April and appears to have been scuttled amid opposition from the Cambodian government. In a resignation letter dated May 5 and addressed to German co-investigating judge Siegfried Blunk, Stephen Heder, a noted historian of the Khmer Rouge period, said he and others in the office had become increasingly disillusioned with the judges’ action in the case.
“In view of the judges’ decision to close the investigation into Case File 003 effectively without investigating it, which I, like others, believe was unreasonable; in view of the UN staff’s evidently growing lack of confidence in your leadership, which I share; and in view of the toxic atmosphere of mutual mistrust generated by your management of what is now a professionally dysfunctional office, I have concluded that no good use can or will be made of my consultancy services,” Heder wrote. He declined to comment yesterday beyond the resignation letter.
In response to the resignations of Heder and at least three foreign staff members from the office, Blunk and his Cambodian counterpart, You Bunleng, said on Sunday that they “welcome the departure of all staff members who ignore the sole responsibility of the [co-investigating judges]” over Case 003.
The suspects in this case remain officially confidential, though court documents reveal them as former KR navy commander Meas Mut and air force commander Sou Met, men thought to be responsible for thousands of deaths.
Blunk and You Bunleng have evinced a siege mentality in their public statements in recent weeks, lashing out at those who have questioned their professional behaviour.
Last month, the judges ordered international co-prosecutor Andrew Cayley to retract a statement he had made outlining further investigative steps he planned to request in Case 003, as he is permitted to do under court rules.
The judges accused Cayley of breaching the court’s confidentiality rules in an order that Cayley has appealed. They have since rejected his investigative requests.
Yesterday, the tribunal’s Pre-Trial Chamber ruled in a unanimous decision that this retraction order, which Blunk and You Bunleng had stipulated be carried out within three days, be suspended pending a final decision on Cayley’s appeal.
In their decision, the Pre-Trial Chamber judges noted that “the information the Co-Investigating Judges ask the International Co-Prosecutor to retract is quoted in the Order issued by the Co-Investigating Judges”.
“As such, the information will remain in the public domain even if it is ‘retracted’ by the Co-Prosecutors,” the Pre-Trial Chamber said.
The Pre-Trial Chamber judges have historically split in ruling on matters related to cases 003 and 004, with the Cambodian judges opposing the cases and the international judges in favour. Clair Duffy, a trial monitor with the Open Society Justice Initiative, said “reason has prevailed” with yesterday’s decision, though she cautioned that it was still too early to say whether the chamber will reverse Blunk and You Bunleng’s rejection of the requests for additional investigation in Case 003.
An increasing number of Cambodians in an ongoing survey say they have
more faith in the UN-backed Khmer Rouge tribunal, according to new data
released Thursday.
According to the authors of a survey by the Human Rights Center of
the University of California Berkeley, respondents showed a “positive
trend” in their belief in the tribunal.
The UN-backed tribunal, which is heading toward its second trial, of
four Khmer Rouge leaders, was designed in part to bring national healing
to the trauma of the regime.
But the court has come under increased criticism of political interference and a lack of funding.
However, the Human Rights Center survey, conducted in December 2010
across 125 communes nationwide, found that an increasing number of
Cambodians have confidence in the court.
The authors noted that in 2008, in its first survey, only about 2
percent of respondents said they believed the court would provide any
justice to Khmer Rouge leaders. After the court’s first successful
trial, of torture chief Duch, that number rose to 37 percent.
About 25 percent said the process will help relieve the pain and suffering of victims, compared to 9 percent who disagreed.
“Trust seems to be increasing,” although with some caveats, said
Patrick Vinck, a researcher for the Human Rights Center, said Wednesday.
“It’s still, kind of, ‘Well, I trust them, but I do think they take
bribes,’” he added, summarizing the findings of the survey. “But the
trend is a positive trend.”
PHNOM PENH (AFP) – Cambodia's UN-backed war crimes
tribunal on Tuesday rejected demands to pursue a politically-sensitive
new Khmer Rouge case that has divided the court.
The investigating judges said the prosecution failed to follow procedure
when filing a request for unnamed suspects to be interviewed for their
alleged crimes as members of the brutal 1975-79 regime to be prosecuted.
In a written statement, the judges said international co-prosecutor
Andrew Cayley's request was invalid because he hadn't done the necessary
paperwork to file the requests without the backing of his national
counterpart.
Cayley and his Cambodian colleague Chea Leang are openly at odds over
how to proceed with the case, with Leang saying the suspects, thought to
be two ex-Khmer Rouge commanders, are outside the court's jurisdiction.
Cayley can appeal the judges' decision not to pursue an investigation
but the announcement appears to signal their willingness to close the
tribunal's controversial third case, prompting fears the court is caving
to government pressure.
"The judges are using questionable legal technicalities to try to avoid
the very important substantive issues raised by Cayley," said Anne
Heindel, a legal adviser at the Documentation Centre of Cambodia, which
researches Khmer Rouge atrocities.
"It's the continuation of their attempts to kill case three."
In its landmark first trial, the tribunal sentenced former prison chief
Kaing Guek Eav, better known as Duch, to 30 years in jail in July for
overseeing the deaths of 15,000 people.
That case is now under appeal, while a second trial involving four of
the regime's most senior surviving leaders is due to start later this
month.
The court is still investigating a fourth case against three more
suspects, believed to be mid-level cadres. But it too is shrouded in
secrecy and faces stiff government opposition.
Prime Minister Hun Sen has repeatedly voiced his objection to further
trials, saying they could plunge the country into civil war, and
observers widely expect the third and fourth cases to be dropped.
Led by "Brother Number One" Pol Pot, who died in 1998, the Marxist Khmer
Rouge regime emptied cities in the late 1970s in a bid to create an
agrarian utopia, executing and killing through starvation and overwork
up to two million.
The allegations come amid fears the tribunal is looking to shut down two cases - known as Case Three and Case Four - in the face of government opposition. Prime Minister Hun Sen has long said he would not permit either case to go to trial, citing a risk of civil war.
Late last month the investigating judges closed Case Three, but within days international prosecutor Andrew Cayley criticized the investigation as deficient.
Cayley said the judges had failed even to question the suspects in Case Three, did not investigate numerous crime sites and did not interview a number of witnesses.
On Wednesday the president of the Cambodian Center of Human Rights, Ou Virak, questioned the work of the investigating judges, claiming the actions of the UN's judge, Siegfried Blunk, 'raise the question of whether the United Nations has conceded to the demands of the (Cambodian government) and is now acting to prevent any further cases from going to trial.'
In emailed comments Friday, UN spokesman Martin Nesirky said that was not the case.
'Neither the secretary-general nor the United Nations Secretariat plays any role in the independent judicial process before the ECCC [Extraordinary Chambers in the Courts of Cambodia, the tribunal's official name],' Nesirky said.
'And I can confirm, in response to your question, that no instructions have been issued by any United Nations officials to any judge or other official at the (tribunal) to prevent Cases 003 and 004 moving forward as part of this independent judicial process,' he said.
Cases Three and Four involve five former Khmer Rouge who are thought responsible for tens of thousands of deaths during the movement's rule of Cambodia between 1975 and 1979.
The court's second case, against four senior surviving leaders of the movement, is scheduled to begin June 27.
In its first case, the tribunal last year convicted the Khmer Rouge's head of security, Comrade Duch, of war crimes and crimes against humanity.
Case Four is still with the investigating judges' office, which is led jointly by Blunk and Cambodian judge You Bunleng.
More than 2 million people are thought to have died during the Khmer Rouge's rule.
Monsters and Critics
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| A woman wipes her eyes during the annual 'Day of Anger' at the Choeung Ek killing fields memorial in Phnom Penh. Tang Chhin Sothy / AFP - Getty Images |
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| Students from a fine arts school take part in a performance to mark the annual 'Day of Anger' at the Choeung Ek killing fields memorial. Tang Chhin Sothy / AFP - Getty Images |
CHOEUNG EK, Cambodia - Tearful
Cambodians attended a re-enactment of a massacre by the Khmer Rouge at a
"Day of Anger" ceremony Friday and demanded long jail terms for
ex-regime leaders facing trial.
Thousands of people, including monks and children, watched black-clad students mime raping, bludgeoning and shooting victims near the mass graves of thousands of prisoners at a former killing field outside Phnom Penh.
"I am speechless about my suffering under the Khmer Rouge. It was more than 30 years ago now, but I still remember my pain," said Tim Pho, 75, who lost 15 family members during the communist movement's 1975-79 rule.
The annual "Day of Anger" ceremony comes just weeks before the start of a high-profile genocide trial involving the movement's four most senior surviving leaders, including "Brother Number Two" Nuon Chea.
"I want the four Khmer Rouge leaders to get very serious sentences so that they will be in jail for life," Tim Pho told AFP.
Led by "Brother Number One" Pol Pot, who died in 1998, the Marxist regime emptied cities and abolished money and schools in a bid to create an agrarian utopia.
Up to two million people were executed or died from starvation, overwork or torture during the brutal reign.
Former Khmer Rouge prison chief Kaing Guek Eav, better known as Duch, was sentenced to 30 years in jail last July for war crimes and crimes against humanity.
He was the first person to face justice at Cambodia's UN-backed court. The case is now under appeal.
Thousands of people, including monks and children, watched black-clad students mime raping, bludgeoning and shooting victims near the mass graves of thousands of prisoners at a former killing field outside Phnom Penh.
"I am speechless about my suffering under the Khmer Rouge. It was more than 30 years ago now, but I still remember my pain," said Tim Pho, 75, who lost 15 family members during the communist movement's 1975-79 rule.
The annual "Day of Anger" ceremony comes just weeks before the start of a high-profile genocide trial involving the movement's four most senior surviving leaders, including "Brother Number Two" Nuon Chea.
"I want the four Khmer Rouge leaders to get very serious sentences so that they will be in jail for life," Tim Pho told AFP.
Led by "Brother Number One" Pol Pot, who died in 1998, the Marxist regime emptied cities and abolished money and schools in a bid to create an agrarian utopia.
Up to two million people were executed or died from starvation, overwork or torture during the brutal reign.
Former Khmer Rouge prison chief Kaing Guek Eav, better known as Duch, was sentenced to 30 years in jail last July for war crimes and crimes against humanity.
He was the first person to face justice at Cambodia's UN-backed court. The case is now under appeal.
AFP
Remembering the refugee camp, hunger, and uncertainty
By Judith D. Schwartz
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| Thi Mary Le Evans with her husband David and sons Mathias, 3, Michael, 7, and daughter Anneliese,1. Credit: Nick Romanenko |
For Thi Mary Le
Evans, the memories are vague: she remembers the heat, the sounds and feel of
the night jungle, and being told not to talk. She was 2 ½ years old when her
family walked from Phnom Penh in Cambodia to the
Thai border.
“We
were told Thailand
was not taking Cambodian refugees so we were disguised as Vietnamese,” says
Evans. “My parents took only a jug of water and us … their three children.” The
jungle they traversed in the dark of night was full of snakes, cobras and
landmines.
On May 15, Evans, now 27, a married
mother of three, received her master’s from the School of Management and Labor
Relations (SMLR)—and presented the
convocation speech.
For
Evans, the route to academic achievement has involved not only challenging
courses and hard work, but also refugee camps, hunger, and uncertainty. She was
born after the collapse of the Khmer Rouge, a regime notorious for social
engineering policies that led to the genocide marked by the chilling phrase
“killing fields”. Her parents each spent a decade in labor camps, their own
families having been wiped out. Her father survived only because by chance he
was studying away from home when the soldiers came through.
These
dark facts were a constant background to growing up, says Evans: “The history
was ingrained in us. We talked about how intellectuals, the educated and
literate, were killed. We understood why we had no grandparents, aunts or
uncles. The only way to know where you come from is to talk about it.”
After
their jungle trek, the family spent a few years in a Thai refugee camp. “I
remember dirt everywhere. We had a bamboo hut and banana leaf roof, with walls
of plastic to keep out the rain,” she says. “But not until I was an adult did I
understand the deprivation. I was a child and everything was enchanted for me.
At school, occasionally there would be lunch given and it was a piece of stale
bread. I remember being told by my mom and dad: ‘Bring it home.’ That was food
for the family. That’s what we ate, with rock salt.”
The
family was later moved to a refugee camp in the Philippines,
where they stayed for more than two years, and then followed a sponsorship from
a church in Maryland, which brought them to
the United States.
Upon
arriving in the US, Evans’s
mother learned she had a sister in New York City
and the family moved to the Bronx, where they
remained for 10years. The neighborhood was riddled with drugs and violence, but
Evans found a haven in her grammar school, Immaculate Conception School, and
its associated convent. An all girls’ Catholic high school brought her to Manhattan and provided
job placements, which gave Evans her first glimpse into the work world.
When
her parents expressed reluctance to let her travel even on a full scholarship
for college, Evans took courses at Middlesex
County College—until
the disruption of September 11 meant she needed to focus on earning a living.
Once she could zero in on academics, she enrolled at Rutgers,
where she was originally a pre-med student, but took a variety of subjects that
interested her.
By
happenstance, she took a class on labor relations with Professor Paula Voos and
a class with Professor Jeff Keefe. “[The subjects] clicked with me—they were
multidisciplinary and can be directly applied, taking everything I was
currently seeing and experiencing while providing me with a toolbox of new
ideas and possible solutions,” she says. “It related to how policies and
relationships between people developed in the world and how I was affected by
it.”
What
Evans treasures in Rutgers is that “people are
huge resources, full of ideas, and there are so many associations and
connections constantly around us,” she says. “In SMLR at Rutgers,
students have full access to professors. It’s very student-centered.”
Evans
is interested in pursuing international labor relations, planning, and policy
and expects to go on to get a Ph.D. J.D. For now, she’s taking a break from
school and working to establish a nonprofit to promote access to education and
basic necessities in Cambodia.
In
her career, Evans hopes to use her knowledge of labor relations to find
solutions to international problems. “In Cambodia, there are classrooms
filled with students where professors are not teaching their classes because
they make more money driving tourists then they would if they taught,” she
says.
Evans
recognizes the challenge of convincing poor families whose children work in
factories that education is worth the loss of family income.
“If
you take out the incentive for the need of child labor as a source of contribution
to family income and put the incentive toward education, then it changes
things, ” she says.
PHNOM PENH, Cambodia (AP) — An internal debate over the targets of
Cambodia's Khmer Rouge genocide tribunal turned into a public dispute
Wednesday, when judges ordered a prosecutor to retract his call for
further investigations.
The fight at the United Nations-backed
tribunal added to mounting fears that prosecutions are being quashed for
political reasons.
The two investigating judges, from Germany and
Cambodia, on Wednesday ordered British co-prosecutor Andrew Cayley to
withdraw a statement he issued last week citing specific crimes that
deserved further investigation. They said the statement violated
tribunal rules and must be retracted within three days, without
specifying the punishment for failure to comply.
Critics fear the
judges ended their investigations prematurely into what the court calls
Case 003, bowing to Prime Minister Hun Sen's demands that the trial's
focus be kept narrowly on the one suspect convicted last year and four
set for trial next month.
About 1.7 million people died of
starvation, exhaustion, lack of medical care or torture during the
communist Khmer Rouge's reign of terror in the 1970s.
Cayley's
statement was issued just a few days after co-investigating judges
Siegfried Blunk and You Bunleng announced that all investigations into
Case 003 had been concluded.
The tribunal follows French-style
law, which mandates that investigating judges collect evidence that is
then forwarded to prosecutors who decide whether to go to trial. There
are parallel sets of Cambodian and international judges and prosecutors
working together.
Legal observers and victims advocates complained
that the investigations into the new cases were cut short without even
the most basic effort being made, such as summoning the suspects for
questioning.
"They've basically done a desk study, and it appears
that that desk study was a sham," Brad Adams, Asia director for Human
Rights Watch, said in an interview last week in Bangkok. "It was a
political decision, it appears, to shut down this case."
Cayley's
statement called the investigation inadequate and detailed previously
unreleased information about the yet-to-be-prosecuted cases, including
information about mass graves and other alleged crime sites.
The
judges' order said that Cayley violated court confidentiality rules and
ordered him to publicly retract his statement within three days.
Cayley
was traveling and could not be reached for comment Wednesday. But his
deputy, Bill Smith, told The Associated Press that Cayley had not
decided yet whether to appeal the judges' order. He said Cayley was
justified in releasing the information under court rules.
Source: Associate Press
This one-on-one interview with a former Khmer Rouge party secretary explores his tenure as director of two prisons specializing in what we now call “enhanced interrogation techniques.”
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| Mam Nai (back row, far left) and Duch (back row, second from right) at an unknown location in Phnom Penh. Date is unknown. Courtesy of Documentation Center of Cambodia |
Best viewed as a companion piece to his 2002 documentary, S21: The Khmer Rouge Killing Machine, Cambodian auteur Rithy Panh once again delves into his homeland’s bloody historical record in Duch, Master of the Forges of Hell.
This one-on-one interview with a former Khmer Rouge party secretary
explores his tenure as director of two prisons specializing in what we
now call “enhanced interrogation techniques.” Composed mostly of talking
heads and archive footage, doc’s best bet is fests, public TV and a few
specialty distribs following its Cannes premiere.
More formally conventional than S21– which featured a handful of ex-torturers reenacting their crimes within the abandoned secret prison located in Phnom Pneh – Duch consists of a lengthy conversation with Kaing Guek Eav (nicknamed
“Duch” for unknown reasons), a loyal follower of the Khmer Rouge who
supervised torture procedures in the M13 and S21 facilities, and is
currently a serving a 35-year sentence for crimes against humanity.
Giving Duch free reign to narrate his rise to power within the party,
spout Marxist ideology and recite French poetry at will, Panh provides
what is likely one of the most elaborate discussions with someone
responsible for mass genocide, which in this case saw the depths of
nearly 2 million people between 1975 and 1979. At once didactic and
dismissive, Duch explains that he “had to do the job in the party’s
interest, in my own interest of survival,” but denies having tortured
the victims himself. When confronted with conflicting testimony from
several underlings, he just laughs it off, and then claims that he’s
“doing his best to forget.”
Not unlike Hannah Arendt’s classic study of Eichmann, Duch describes
a highly bureaucratic apparatus of death, where testimonies culled from
tortured prisoners are scrutinized, corrected, and then sent to party
headquarters to be examined by defense minister Son Sen and, occasionally, by Pol Pot himself.
Although a few convict photos are glimpsed briefly at intervals, the
film is most telling when Duch holds up copies of his own handwritten
lists of slaughtered prisoners, revealing how an entire life was reduced
by the Khmer regime into a single stroke of ink.
Mixing the interviews with black and white archive images of Cambodian
labor camps, Panh mostly spares us the grittier footage of mass graves
and human remains, allowing Duch’s own accounts of abuse and execution
to sink in even deeper.
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| The Tuol Sleng Genocide Museum in Phnom Penh, Cambodia, is a former high school that was used as a prison by the Khmer Rouge regime. / Maggie Downs, Special to The Desert Sun |
This used to be a school.
Then the
Khmer Rouge communist regime took over. From 1975 to 1979, this
institute of higher learning was turned into a torture chamber, Security
Prison 21. An estimated 20,000 people were beaten, maimed, tortured and
killed in the converted Phnom Penh high school. Some of them were
soldiers for the opposition. Others were simply intellectuals,
academics, doctors, teachers, monks and students.
Now the buildings form a memorial site called Tuol Sleng, which translates to “Strychnine Hill.”
These are some of the people who died there. Their faces haunt me.
On the right you can see photos of the prisoners as they looked when they arrived at S-21.
The corresponding photo on the left side is how they looked before they perished.
Many of the classrooms still have blood-stained tiles underneath rusty beds and shackles.
The
building facade is shrouded in barbed netting. The desperate prisoners
who tried to commit suicide off the buildings were instead wounded by
razor-laced wire.
When
the guards ran out of burial space near the school, the prisoners were
taken outside of town to Choeung Ek extermination center, a place better
known as the Killing Fields.
Already-weak
inmates were beaten with iron bars, axes and bamboo sticks until they
were tossed into mass graves. Then chemicals were poured over the bodies
to kill those who were buried alive.
I
have a difficult time coming up with any words to talk about this. It's
why I still haven't written about my experiences visiting the genocide
memorials in Rwanda. It's such a deep dark confusing pit of emotion, I
don't even know where to begin.
It's heinous, yes. Confronting such evil makes me doubt my belief that people are inherently good.
It forces me to question God. It makes me want to cry out in horror.
But it goes beyond that too.
As
I travel, I realize how much of the existence I enjoy is pure luck. It
is only by chance that I came into this world in a humid Georgia
hospital instead of a humid Cambodian town.
It
is only a fluke that I have an easy life, one I never had to fight for.
It's a sheer accident that I didn't witness the slaughter of my family
in 1994 Rwanda. Instead I was getting shoes dyed to match my prom dress.
It could have been me. It could have been you.
It could have been all of us.
Sometimes the horrible incidents that we see on the news feel so far away.
But it only takes one chilling walk through a sorrow-soaked hallway to remind you of how close it could really be.
Source: My Desert News
A young woman writes a letter to a newspaper, saying that the country’s history includes both the “marvellous period” of Angkor and the hellish nightmare of Pol Pot’s regime. For many others, the country’s recent history is painful, useless and better left forgotten. Activists warn that UN trials ...
Phnom Penh – “I believe that if we
do not learn from mistakes, the same mistakes will happen again,” wrote a
young Cambodian woman, Kunty Seng, in a letter published on phnompenhpost.com.
For her, Cambodians must study the “marvellous period” of the Angkor
era as well as the genocidal “reign of horror” under Pol Pot and his
Khmer Rouge acolytes. In the meantime, human rights groups are sounding
the alarm because the United Nations tribunal currently trying former
Khmer Rouge leaders, including former deputy prime minister and “Brother
Number Three” Ieng Sary, could close before it finishes its work.
Likewise, many are concerned that prosecutors are not conducting
investigations properly, which could compromise future prosecutions.
Cambodia still bears the scars of the four years of
Khmer Rouge rule (1975-1979), which killed almost two million people
(about a quarter of the population), including the country’s elites
(intellectuals, doctors, teachers and artists)
Sociologists and Catholic leaders have told AsiaNews
several times that Cambodians are not much inclined towards in-depth
self-analysis and historical introspection. Largely, “money and
economics”, not the past, are what counts. Still, there are some signs
that something is changing.
In her letter, Kunty Seng wrote that some of her
friends “say we should not talk about it because it is painful to be
reminded of such a horrible time in our history.” They “view the Khmer
Rouge tribunal as being useless because it can never bring all of the
Khmer Rouge cadres to justice. They say: ‘The tribunal is a fake symbol;
it is for a political gain only’.”
“I have a different view. I think that one needs to
talk about what happened during the Khmer Rouge regime. I know that
Cambodian leaders made a big mistake and future leaders must not make
the same mistake again. I believe that if we do not learn from mistakes,
the same mistakes will happen again.”
“Since my childhood, I have been taught about
Cambodia, the Land of Sovann Phumi or ‘Golden Land’,” about “the
marvellous period of Angkor era”, a place with beautiful temples that
are now part of the world’s heritage.
However, “I have learned very little in school about
what happened during the reign of horror of the Khmer Rouge,” she wrote.
“What I have learned I have learned from my parents and other
survivors.”
“I believe that [the] younger generation should be
taught both the good things about Cambodia” during the “Angkor era” and
“the terrible history of the Khmer Rouge.”
Meanwhile, legal and human rights activists are
concerned that Cambodia's UN- backed genocide tribunal might shut down
before the main accused, Ieng Sary, Nuon Chea, Khieu Samphan and Ieng
Thirith, are tried, undermining any future trial against other former
Pol Pot officials.
Defence lawyers have in fact demanded the release of
their aged clients, who are on trial for war crimes and crimes against
humanity.
Last week the co-investigating judges, a Cambodian and
a German, officially informed the court that their investigation for
Case No. 3 was complete. The names of those being probed have been kept
secret, but they are believed to include at least five second-tier Khmer
Rouge officials.
Critics including Human Rights Watch say the
co-investigating judges have done an incomplete probe in an effort to
scuttle future prosecutions.
So far, the only accused that was convicted is Kaing
Guev Eav, better known as Comrade Duch, who ran the notorious S-21
prison in Phnom Penh.
He admitted his guilt, saying he followed orders, and for this was sentenced to 35 years in jail.
His lawyers have appealed the sentence.
Source: Asia News
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Photo by: Eccc/Pool
Iang Sary, who was
deputy prime minister and foreign minister during the rule of the Khmer
Rouge, sits through a hearing at the Khmer Rouge Tribunal yesterday. |
A feeble Ieng Sary appeared before Cambodia’s war crimes tribunal
yesterday to challenge his provisional detention ahead of his looming
trial alongside three other senior Khmer Rouge leaders.
Lawyers for the former KR foreign minister argued that judges had not rendered a sufficiently reasoned decision on the defence appeal of last year’s indictment within the window during which the court could still compel their client’s detention. The maximum time limit for pre-trial detention since Ieng Sary’s 2007 arrest has therefore now lapsed, the defence said.
The challenge follows appeals earlier this year on similar grounds by the other three defendants set to be tried in the court’s second case: former KR head of state Khieu Samphan, Brother No 2 Nuon Chea and Social Action Minister Ieng Thirith. These appeals have been rejected.
Despite this precedent, defence lawyer Ang Udom told the court yesterday that there was no legal basis to continue Ieng Sary’s detention.
“Mr Ieng Sary has the presumption of innocence and has not been convicted of any crime,” Ang Udom said.
“The most suitable remedy is to release Mr Ieng Sary on bail immediately.”
The defence recommended that Ieng Sary be released from the court’s detention facility and placed under house arrest at his expansive home in Phnom Penh.
“Brother No 3” himself, now 85 years old, managed less than an hour in court yesterday before asking to leave due to fatigue. His lawyers have requested that the court conduct his upcoming trial in half-day sessions in view of his health concerns.
Donning the loose-fitting button-down shirt of the style he has worn in previous hearings, he appeared fatigued and at one point seemed to doze off as his lawyers spoke in front of him. Early in the session, the defence asked that he be given leave for a bathroom break.
Much of the argument yesterday followed the template of previous hearings on pre-trial detention. At one point, however, defence lawyer Michael Karnavas provided a sample of the debate over Cambodia’s complicated history with the West that is sure to come at greater length in the upcoming trial.
Responding to comments from deputy prosecutor Veng Huot, who noted in passing statements of support for the tribunal from United Nations secretary general Ban Ki-moon and American secretary of state Hillary Clinton, Karnavas said the UN was not “in any position to be lecturing”, given its support for the Khmer Rouge for years following their 1979 overthrow.
“I do believe that we should be entitled to talk about the carpet bombing, by the United States, of Cambodia. We should be able to talk about the UN’s involvement after 1979,” Karnavas said, accusing UN officials of limiting the court’s jurisdiction to events between 1975 and 1979 “to ensure that those issues were not properly vented out”.
Lawyers for the former KR foreign minister argued that judges had not rendered a sufficiently reasoned decision on the defence appeal of last year’s indictment within the window during which the court could still compel their client’s detention. The maximum time limit for pre-trial detention since Ieng Sary’s 2007 arrest has therefore now lapsed, the defence said.
The challenge follows appeals earlier this year on similar grounds by the other three defendants set to be tried in the court’s second case: former KR head of state Khieu Samphan, Brother No 2 Nuon Chea and Social Action Minister Ieng Thirith. These appeals have been rejected.
Despite this precedent, defence lawyer Ang Udom told the court yesterday that there was no legal basis to continue Ieng Sary’s detention.
“Mr Ieng Sary has the presumption of innocence and has not been convicted of any crime,” Ang Udom said.
“The most suitable remedy is to release Mr Ieng Sary on bail immediately.”
The defence recommended that Ieng Sary be released from the court’s detention facility and placed under house arrest at his expansive home in Phnom Penh.
“Brother No 3” himself, now 85 years old, managed less than an hour in court yesterday before asking to leave due to fatigue. His lawyers have requested that the court conduct his upcoming trial in half-day sessions in view of his health concerns.
Donning the loose-fitting button-down shirt of the style he has worn in previous hearings, he appeared fatigued and at one point seemed to doze off as his lawyers spoke in front of him. Early in the session, the defence asked that he be given leave for a bathroom break.
Much of the argument yesterday followed the template of previous hearings on pre-trial detention. At one point, however, defence lawyer Michael Karnavas provided a sample of the debate over Cambodia’s complicated history with the West that is sure to come at greater length in the upcoming trial.
Responding to comments from deputy prosecutor Veng Huot, who noted in passing statements of support for the tribunal from United Nations secretary general Ban Ki-moon and American secretary of state Hillary Clinton, Karnavas said the UN was not “in any position to be lecturing”, given its support for the Khmer Rouge for years following their 1979 overthrow.
“I do believe that we should be entitled to talk about the carpet bombing, by the United States, of Cambodia. We should be able to talk about the UN’s involvement after 1979,” Karnavas said, accusing UN officials of limiting the court’s jurisdiction to events between 1975 and 1979 “to ensure that those issues were not properly vented out”.
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